TLU Beach 2026 Recap with the '80's Tracksuit Brothers, Dan Ambrose and Mohamad Ahmad

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Dan Ambrose (: 00:32

So Mohamed, amen. Yes, sir. We just got back a few days ago from TLU Beach 2026. Everybody had different experiences there and some spent more time than others because it's really covers if you take actual days, cover six days from June 2nd with the pregame, the pre-party, the dinner party of the night to June 7th with the brunch. But before that, you came to the bootcamp right here in Hermosa Beach. Tell us about your journey starting with the bootcamp.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 01:11

Well, I feel like Ron Artest after the Lakers won the championship, he showed up to the Jimmy Kimmel show still in his uniform. I'm still in the afterglow of the conference because it was ... I'm not saying this exaggeratingly. It was the best 10 days of legal everything that I've ever experienced to the point where I was actually sad when it was over. I was sad. I actually complained to people because on Saturday some of the vendors left and so I called them out on email and they're like, "Oh, busted." Yeah, we had to go somewhere. I was like, "Yeah, dude, why'd you leave?" I didn't want anybody to leave, even the vendors. The vendors were cool too, which is weird because normally you get annoyed by vendors at conferences. So it was the best all around every day.

Dan Ambrose (: 01:57

But let's talk about the bootcamp that you did beforehand, because you and about a dozen other people did this bootcamp. So for people that haven't done bootcamp, what were your takeaways from the bootcamp here at Hermosa?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 02:07

My favorite part about it was it was we actually worked on a case that's a real case, the trucking case. And so my biggest takeaway was how to bring the case to life with our body, with our hands, with our facial expressions. And even though I've attended it before, at this one, I learned how to shortcut it with breathing. Something so simple, but we take it for granted. It's like a centipede that has a hundred legs. If it thinks about walking, it freezes and dies, right? But you don't think about it. And so the breathing trick allows you not to think about it.

Dan Ambrose (: 02:47

Well, it's not breathing tricks. Breathing, it's breath training. With the delivery of lines and training yourself to breathe, which is critical because under pressure we stop breathing, we freeze up and then if we don't have oxygen, our brains don't function. Things don't function as well when we don't have full oxygen. That's why training the breath is so important.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 03:08

And then the jury and the whole courtroom will sense the tension and it kind of disrupts the flow of the presentation. So when we see naturals, quote unquote, they seem like they're just in their environment in their zone. And so that's what this bootcamp kind of helped me develop is trying to get in the zone so that way it feels natural. It is natural too.

Dan Ambrose (: 03:31

Right. Well, the more you practice it, the less you're going to be thinking, the less stress your body's going to be out there, the more consistent and relaxed your breathing's going to be, which affects your pacing of your language and all that. All these are trained intentional skills that the best people they practice. I mean, the best athletes practice every day. The best musicians practice every day and for people that want to become the best trial lawyers, they need to practice. And the great thing about the bootcamp is now I really believe there's something to practice because we cover what I consider to be really the four quadrants of performance and persuasion and trial, which are witness prep and direct examination, because you got to be able to get the story from your client. If you can't tell the story, the authentic story of what happened unless you can first get it and then you have to help them able to tell it and then cross-examination.

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There's best practices for cross and delivery of it and the pacing of it and then performance skills, which are opening statement and closing argument, using the ability to create space, using a real case with a video and photo so you understand the story you're telling. And then finally with voir dire, the jury selection, which I think is the most complex part of trial, and requires the most training. And once people learn the best practices of these areas, then they can practice them. If you don't know what the best practices are, if you don't never even given a lesson on how to swing a golf club and you just go out there and take a club and start beating that ball down, well, chances are the ball is never going to really fly consistently or correctly. And

Mohamad Ahmad (: 05:18

You're probably going to throw out your back.

Dan Ambrose (: 05:20

That's a possibility too, which- Yeah,

Mohamad Ahmad (: 05:22

Because a lot of people use bad form. Not speaking from personal experience, but-

Dan Ambrose (: 05:26

Bad form.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 05:27

You know the analogy that I thought of since we went flying yesterday until you air in your plane yesterday? The plane has 25 different moving parts. You got to look at the air, you got to look at the wind, you got to look at this. It's overwhelming. I was overwhelmed yesterday because it's been years since I flew and so I was overwhelmed. But then if you break it down by part, the good thing about trial is you can break it down by part. It has 25 moving parts too. You have the judge, you have the jury, you have the defense counsel, you have your own clients, you have the defense experts, you have treating physicians, you got to juggle 25 different things. And what the bootcamp does is it says, "Hey, let's break this down one thing at a time like witness prep, conveying a story that's vague, but it's like, no, this is how you do it.

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" And you broke it down question by question, step by step. And then if you do that over time, when you show up, it'll look like you're doing a whole orchestra with 25 different musicians and they're all in sync. And so that's what I think the best part of the bootcamp was it took every aspect of the moving parts and you're allowed to slow down unlike in flying where you can't just sit there and be like, "Oh, I'm going to focus on the joystick and direction."

Dan Ambrose (: 06:37

I can pay attention to my altimeter how high if you don't pay attention to that, you sink. Actually, it's funny you mentioned that because that's one of the reasons I decide to learn how to fly is because it is a very complex mental and physical skill that requires a lot of focus and there's a lot of pressure too. So you're learning these skills under a lot of pressure. I mean, actually more pressure in the courtroom because when I finally sold, I'm up there at 10,000 feet by myself my whole life and my own hands, it's quite ... I mean, you focus, you've never focused before, you know what I mean? When you're pilot and you hit a turbulence, it's just like something that's raw. It's like you can't let it throw you off. You hit turbulence, it's like an objection,

Mohamad Ahmad (: 07:22

Right? And you refer back to your training.

Dan Ambrose (: 07:24

Right.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 07:24

And just relax. And if your training is good, then you're going to land the plane and you're going to live to see another day. If not, you got to pull that million dollar parachute on the jet that you have. Yeah,

Dan Ambrose (: 07:33

We're not pulling the parachute if we can avoid it.

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We're not. No, we're

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Flying.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 07:36

We're going down. We're either going down the fly. We're going to fly because we're going to do the right training. But

Dan Ambrose (: 07:40

Then the bootcamp, we moved down. We did the first three and a half days here in Homosa and then Sunday we moved down to the Pasaya Hotel and did the last couple days there. But then people started arriving on Tuesday and I think about 25 people went to surf camp on Tuesday with Ed Serimboli and

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Cory Suda. That was awesome, Ed. Oh, you were at surf camp? Yeah. What was your favorite

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Parts of surf camp? Honestly,

Mohamad Ahmad (: 08:05

Getting to meet the people.

Dan Ambrose (: 08:07

Integrate?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 08:09

Actually what it comes down to too is I was even talking to people about it. I was like, was this something different about this conference in that I think all the people were down to earth, which I didn't meet somebody that was like, "Get me away from this person." And so even though I love the water, I love the ocean, I love just jumping in the water. I have no idea what I'm doing when I'm surfing. I've been doing it for many years, but I just love being in the water. It was actually the conversations outside the water that were the best.

Dan Ambrose (: 08:33

Yeah, that's a great part. Plus it attracts so many crazy people that are going to go jump in that freezing water together. So you got to know who are the psychopaths when you get to a conference so you know who your people are, right? Yeah. And this way we get everybody to identify themselves bam like that. And they got there early. They got there on Tuesday ready to go at two o'clock. Right. I mean, people that went and played pickleball, I'm sure they met a lot of new people too, but just not crazy people. Oh,

Mohamad Ahmad (: 08:57

Maybe that's why I didn't hang out with the pickleball people. Well, because they were

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At people.

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Actually shout out to some of the pickleball people. They were cool too, even though I'm not a pickleball

Dan Ambrose (: 09:05

Guy. That's okay, buddy.You're a surf guy. But then after that, we had our first time we ever bought out the restaurant at the L'Oreal and we did our first dinner party, pre-conference dinner party. And I've never done this before. The most I've ever done it before the conference was having a little get together in the presidential suite and sometimes I had 30 people, but we actually had about 360 people show up for this pre-conference dinner party, both attendees and exhibitors.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 09:30

It was packed. It

Dan Ambrose (: 09:31

Was packed. It was overflowing and I was so excited about it too because then we took the time to kind of design tables with putting different people like two people from the same firm didn't sit at the same table. Two exhibitors from the same company didn't sit at the same table and that way just everybody got to meet so many new people and I got a lot of feedback. People really love that. How did you like the Tuesday night dinner party?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 09:57

Yeah, so that's exactly what happened to me. My table was overflowing. So I went to just a random table and met new people. And then when my partner came, Ray and Michael Carter from Chicago and Santa Monica, there was no room at our table. So I put them at another table and I had to go pre-meet the people there to warm them up to, because Ray and Michael are a little cuckoo.

Dan Ambrose (: 10:19

A little much to handle.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 10:20

Yeah. And they were so cool. And so I was like, "Man, I kind of want to sit at this table." So it's like you meet so many people, you literally can't get enough of it, which is weird because I've gone to so many conferences. I don't like to go to lectures anymore and I don't like to go to ... It's more of a chore, but this one I really ... There's something different about this one. I've been to other TLU conferences like New York, this one was head and shoulders the best.

Dan Ambrose (: 10:48

No, I believe that too. I mean, I work hard to improve upon what we did the year before and if you can imagine, I'm already planning 2027. June 2nd through 5th, 2027. Join all of us back at TLU Beach at the Paseo Hotel. We're going to have more learning and fun than ever before. We're going to have six lecture tracks, eight workshop tracks. We're going to have a golf outing. We're going to have themed parties, dinner parties every night, Satchel of a Wild West party, the '80s track suit dinner party followed by the 80s tracksuit pool party and finally we're going to fish it all off with the Apreski rooftop party. So if you want new friends, you want great food and you want great learning and change your life, join us at TLU Beach.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 11:40

And I can't wait for that. So I'm excited for the February conference at the Psea.

Dan Ambrose (: 11:44

That's right. We got another one coming back in February with Philip Miller and Joe Fried and Eddie Saramboli and let's see, Robin Wishart.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 11:55

Hopefully she comes back after. I don't know if when I moderated her thing, she was like, "Who is this guy? Who's this guy? This is this crazy guy. Hopefully that didn't scare her away."

Dan Ambrose (: 12:04

And she's pretty tough. I'll check in with her, do

Mohamad Ahmad (: 12:07

A little- She used to whoop people's butts on the volleyball.

Dan Ambrose (: 12:09

I know. She played professional volleyball.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 12:11

Right in front of the passaya.

Dan Ambrose (: 12:13

I know and

Mohamad Ahmad (: 12:14

She- I told her, "You're like white men can't jump. You're just hustling poor men and their egos, destroying their egos and their wallets." Yeah.

Dan Ambrose (: 12:22

She did a podcast you can hear all about

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How

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She did that to them.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 12:25

Oh, she was really cool.

Dan Ambrose (: 12:26

Yep. And then after that Wednesday morning, first time we ever did a breakfast breakfast that was hosted by my friend Patrick Kang. We had about 250 people at breakfast. It was amazing. The whole restaurant was full. All those people there early getting to know each other because on Wednesday we only had workshops and it was great because Ben Rubinowitz and Mike Kelly did their cross-examinive experts workshop. And then Dirk Vandever and Randy Sorrels and Przemek Lubecki and Tom Dickerson did a voir dire kind of masterclass on Wednesday morning. Philip Miller at Ed Ciarimboli had a depositions class all day. So I was really stoked about Wednesday. What did you do on your Wednesday at TLU?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 13:14

Wednesday?

Dan Ambrose (: 13:15

Well, we had activities that day too. There was golf that afternoon.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 13:18

Yeah, Wednesday we did that. No, Tuesday was the surf.

Dan Ambrose (: 13:20

Yep.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 13:21

Wednesday we did the 9ters. Oh, you went go- kart

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Racing, did you?

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Yeah, I went go- I heard you

Dan Ambrose (: 13:24

Lost. I heard you were the first-

Mohamad Ahmad (: 13:26

No.

Dan Ambrose (: 13:26

Zaner told me you were the biggest loser.You lost. You were number one out.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 13:29

No, fake news, fake news. Do you really trust Zehner?

Dan Ambrose (: 13:32

I'm just telling you

Mohamad Ahmad (: 13:33

What he told me. Zaner's from Denver, dude. I do. I

Dan Ambrose (: 13:35

Know that. I'm just telling you what the

Mohamad Ahmad (: 13:36

Story was. The Dragon Slayer. I know. Shout out to Kurt Zaner. That was one of the coolest events.

Dan Ambrose (: 13:41

There was like 45 people there. We

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Had

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To close registration. There were

Mohamad Ahmad (: 13:44

So many people at the- My second place finish is currently on appeal. Elvis from the Casey Group, it's not over yet. The story is not over yet. Yeah. They gave him a charity win because his car broke down.

Dan Ambrose (: 13:55

Oh man.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 13:56

Which is fine. I'm in the charity, so I'm okay. Well,

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It was helping the people

Dan Ambrose (: 13:59

Out. That's great.

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So you had good time with Zaner, the go- kart racing. Yeah,

Mohamad Ahmad (: 14:02

That's what we did on Wednesday.

Dan Ambrose (: 14:04

Wednesday. Then we had our Wednesday opening party and we had the game on for that and we did that on the patio there with the fire pits and we had the great band there. Good catch.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 14:15

That was the crazy thing about this conference too is all the lectures were full. I went into a room on a Saturday, a workshop room and it was full. It felt awkward. I was like, oh.

Dan Ambrose (: 14:25

We're talking about Wednesday night party.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 14:27

And you're jumping

Dan Ambrose (: 14:28

To ... Do you have attention deficit disorder?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 14:29

100%. 100%. That plays with folks. It's 100%.

Dan Ambrose (: 14:34

ADHD Mohammed.

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Yeah, 100%.

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There we go. That explains it. No.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 14:38

But Wednesday you expect it to be full, but every event was full. Even the go- kart, we had to wait for hours. Everything was well attended, which that's another thing. I think everyone was committed this time to the conference.

Dan Ambrose (: 14:50

Well, I think getting people connected more and people have friends and people want to hang out because it's so hard to make new friends as we get older. And I was listening to an audiobook and it said the two most lonely professions are doctors and lawyers, surprisingly, because everybody that we work around either works for us or we're confronting with them like defense lawyers or judges and the people that are staffed. So who are you really friends with? Your partners? Yeah, but as we get older and more busy with family and work, when do we have time to just make friends? It's real hard.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 15:26

That's why I encourage people to, if you're going to be a lawyer, create imaginary friends early on, they'll stay with you forever. They're loyal. Right.

Dan Ambrose (: 15:34

They won't just get mad at you because you work all the time and you don't talk to them and ignore them.

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Right, Phil?

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There you go. That's right, buddy. So then on Wednesday night after that, we had the first poker tournament up in the presidential suite, Codes Health. I stopped by there. It was nice people that like to play cards. 10, 20 people at night playing cards, but also the lobby lounge was pretty lively with a couple

Mohamad Ahmad (: 15:58

Things. Maybe that's why the conference was so cool. The presidential suite, I've never seen a conference with a presidential suite. Well,

Dan Ambrose (: 16:03

That's where you did your workshop.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 16:04

I did my workshop. Yep.

Dan Ambrose (: 16:06

Yep. And then we're going to talk about that. Then Thursday, Thursday, I think there was like 600 people, five to 600 people every morning for breakfast. And we had live music for breakfast. How'd you like the live music? Tiffany?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 16:17

Tiffany was excellent. I actually stopped her at the valet because I was shocked that she was getting up so early. It was early because we went surfing at like 6:0 7:00 AM and she was coming out of her car with her equipment. I go, "You're singing again?" Every time I saw her, she was singing and probably the best singer too, because her voice didn't crack even after I felt like 10 hours a day of singing.

Dan Ambrose (: 16:41

She only sung for three hours a day, Mo, hour

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And

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Half in the morning for breakfast, hour and a half for lunch, but I heard her play there and at the Paseo restaurant, I was really impressed with her. I'm

Mohamad Ahmad (: 16:52

Like, "Hey-" She's very impressive. Yeah. I'm not just saying that. I actually did stop her. I was like, "Wow, you're incredible." And she said, "Get away from me, Cree." No, I'm just kidding. She was nice. She was gracious.

Dan Ambrose (: 17:03

That was nice of her to be gracious with you, Mo. And so we had the live music for breakfast and we had obviously a great turnout for breakfast. And then this year we had five lecture attractions instead of four, which I was really stoked about because I used one of the smaller rooms holds like 70 people for a lecture track. And it was really for people who were really first time speakers, people who'd gone to come to TLU, gone out and actually got verdicts and applied what they learned and got to come back and get on the stage and talk about it. And that room was constantly filled, constantly packed, which I was really excited about because with so many big name speakers that come to this program every year and I expect their rooms to be full, the Panish's, the Frieds, the Sach Olivers, the people that are-

Mohamad Ahmad (: 17:52

The Mohammeds. The

Dan Ambrose (: 17:53

Mohammeds. Hey, your room was solid, yours and Ray.

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And everything you did was it's really great too to see people build a following too that speak ... I remember Kurt Zehner when he first started speaking at TLU in 2021, it was brilliant in his room. Now his rooms are full. And I was speaking for a few hours and his one day masterclass on premises had like 35 people in it. And so that's why we had all these masterclasses going too, which I'm really stoked about too because that way people like Joe Fried and Joe Camerlengo did a masterclass on trucking. And unfortunately the room was a litle small because it got kind of hot in there, but I wasn't expecting it to be 30 people in it because I just wasn't expecting it.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 18:36

Because those are intensive ... You have to be using your brain the whole time kind of classes. And so you expect people to just be like, okay, I don't have the bandwidth for that. But they were locked in. Even up until Saturday, they were full. Oh yeah, no. Saturday afternoon, basically till the very end.

Dan Ambrose (: 18:54

That was great and so much great learning. And then you and I are dressed like this because on Thursday, what happened on Thursday night, Mo?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 19:04

Tracksuit party.

Dan Ambrose (: 19:06

80s tracksuit dinner party from 60 to 8:00. I think we had about 380 people were down in there about 375. Most of them had tracksuits on, probably about 350, the ones that didn't. They got some new TLU swag, the long sleeve shirts. And that was a new thing. As you see, we got these kick-ass hats.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 19:25

Yeah, these are badass.

Dan Ambrose (: 19:26

But we improved our swag game because everybody likes great swag. And most conferences give you like a cotton t-shirt if they give you anything.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 19:37

No, yes. TLU definitely has the best swag. Even the bags. The bags, I keep those. I collect those. I was actually- I'm

Dan Ambrose (: 19:44

Glad.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 19:45

I was actually like, I hope Dan doesn't get upset that I take another bag. And the notebooks, the notebooks-

Dan Ambrose (: 19:50

The notebooks were delayed this year.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 19:52

But we'll get them to people.

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Well, we have a whole-

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Because they are the coolest notebooks. I keep those too. And my wife doesn't complain. She complains about me keeping stuff like the airlines. I travel a lot. She's like, "Why do you always bring home these stupid, what is it? Those toiletry bags?" And she's like, "But she never complains about TLU swag. She uses them for the grocery store because in California we're required to take our own bags to grocery store." It's a good

Dan Ambrose (: 20:15

Idea.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 20:16

It's good

Dan Ambrose (: 20:16

For the environment guys, but that's why we provide the TLU swag bag.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 20:20

And I'm not just saying this, the TLU swag is the only thing that will get people in public, random strangers to come up and talk to me. They normally try to run for the Hills, but they'll come up to me and be like, "Trial Lawyers University, is that like Trump University?" I go, "No, fake news. Fake news." Actually,

Dan Ambrose (: 20:37

A real.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 20:37

We're real. Helping people, delivering value. Don't scam people. Delivering value. But it's actually a conversation starter because it's just cool. The emblem, everything about it is legit Trial Lawyers University.

Dan Ambrose (: 20:48

See that? And then Supio was kind enough to host that party for us. We really appreciate it because it was an amazing dinner party. And then after that was followed up with the first ever '80s track suit pool party from eight to 11, we had the wayward sons.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 21:03

Yeah. I saw people in the pool at night. I was like,

Dan Ambrose (: 21:05

"What's wrong with these guys?" Yeah, that was me, buddy. That was me. There was only six of us in the pool. I'm like, "Hey, people, this is a pool party." But people are a little shy, get ready for the pool party. So next year everybody, pool party Thursday night, bring your bathing suits. Let's go. Let's freaking go people. And so that band was fucking awesome, the Wayward Sons.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 21:23

Oh yeah. They

Dan Ambrose (: 21:24

Fucking rocked it, man.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 21:25

Yeah, my nephew was jamming out to it. Most adorable track suit. He wins that costume.

Dan Ambrose (: 21:31

Okay. Well, I don't think I met your nephew, but we have

Mohamad Ahmad (: 21:34

A- You did. He had an outfit. He had a little boombox, a little inflatable boombox. We were all in with it.

Dan Ambrose (: 21:41

You got to be all in with this thing. Then Friday we had Friday we had the Sachauva Wild West party. That was a hit that took some ... With

Mohamad Ahmad (: 21:54

The Angus beef from his hand. That's

Dan Ambrose (: 21:56

Right. Oliver Angus beef from his ranch. We brought it up here and

Mohamad Ahmad (: 22:00

Authentic to the core.

Dan Ambrose (: 22:01

Yep. We had a great band that night.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 22:03

He's a real cowboy though. His daughter is a champion horse riding something. I don't know. She showed me the video. I was like-

Dan Ambrose (: 22:11

Oh yeah,

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Buddy. They're real cowboys here. Yeah, they got

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A ranch, bro.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 22:16

I felt like such a poser because I had my cowboy

Dan Ambrose (: 22:18

Outfit. Satch did a presentation on money and that was his first time ever doing that. I got so many great reviews about it because I went down to his ranch because he invited me down there because I spent about 12 years on another ranch out there in Wyoming. And so as he's building his, he brought me down there to be giving some insights on how to really make it great. And through those conversations that we also gave me his philosophy on money that he learned from his father and his grandfather on assets and liabilities. And based upon that conversation, it really gave me the courage to get this house because it was a little uncomfortable. Getting a house by the beach, it's a little obviously closer you get to the ocean, they tend to charge you more money.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 23:14

Shocking.

Dan Ambrose (: 23:15

Shockingly.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 23:16

So cold.

Dan Ambrose (: 23:17

I know. And it's like the water's cold. I don't know why people want to live around here, but that was really an impactful conversation for me that changed how I thought about money and assets and liabilities. Obviously living here now has an impact on my life. And it's amazing when you get some information, the right information at the right time, what an impact it could have on your life that you're not even prepared for. And so that conversation for me and I heard from a lot of people about that presentation and the impact they had on their thinking too. So I was very stoked about that. And one of the complaints I often get at TLU is that, "Oh, there's so many great things to see at once." It's like you suffer from FOMO and what do I tell them, MO?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 24:11

TLU on demand,

Dan Ambrose (: 24:12

Baby. TLU on demand, baby. You don't suffer from FOMO. We recorded all.

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Yeah.

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We recorded all the lectures, all five lecture tracks, all of the master classes. The on by Joe Fried and Joe Cameron Lango, that's available on TLU On Demand. The one by-

Mohamad Ahmad (: 24:29

No joke. I was listening to TOU on demand on the way over here.

Dan Ambrose (: 24:31

Really?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 24:32

And I was disappointed because it's two hours and the drive was only 30 minutes. I still got an hour and a half. It's still there

Dan Ambrose (: 24:38

Waiting for you.

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Who were

Mohamad Ahmad (: 24:39

You listening to?

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I was listening to Steve King and Dina Buchanan.

Dan Ambrose (: 24:43

Oh yeah. On that recent AI stuff they're doing. Steve, I'm so proud of Steve. He's really into this AI stuff

Mohamad Ahmad (: 24:49

And really developing stuff. As much as we hear about AI, you kind of get AI fatigue. So I'm like, "Do I want another lecture on AI?" But then you listen to it and they give you boom, boom, boom, two or three practical things. I literally texted my tech guy and I said, "Hey, implement this now." So I think that's the difference with TLU. It's one of the few conferences where, like you said, you see students one year, I was a student for many years and then they're presenting on their big verdict that's like record setting and people are like, "Wait, I've never heard of this guy." And it's like, yeah, I was in that chair last year. And

Dan Ambrose (: 25:23

That's what I tell people.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 25:24

It's in the progression.

Dan Ambrose (: 25:25

Right. You come here, you learn, you go to trial, you win, you will find yourself on the stage here at TLU because it's very inspiring too. I think people that have the courage to go to trial and need to be celebrated. And I think it's very inspirational for others. And my friend Alex Ivanov from Dallas presented and he's just been killing it and he's an immigrant from Bella Russ. He's got an amazing story how he escaped Russia and how the KGB tried to recruit him, but he did a lecture on the spine and all the stuff he's learning and doing. And I mean, it was standing room only, which is amazing to me because the guy just learned to speak English six years ago. And when I first became friends with him a few years ago, I told him, "You got to work on flattening out that accent because you can't be an effective trial lawyer if people can understand what you're saying." And to his credit, he's been working with a language coach for a couple years and he barely noticed

Mohamad Ahmad (: 26:27

That- Putting in the practice.

Dan Ambrose (: 26:28

Putting in the work.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 26:29

It's tough. It's uncomfortable as hell. Right. Especially when you have some level of accomplishment like you, you had a lot of accomplishment. You had badass penthouse in Vegas and you're like, "Oh, I'm going to make myself uncomfortable and throw down on a badass beach house in California." You got to put yourself in deep waters and then train, make sure you're not there by yourself, train and swim out of it. And then there's nothing more satisfying than that.

Dan Ambrose (: 26:55

Well, it builds confidence

Mohamad Ahmad (: 26:57

Too.

Dan Ambrose (: 26:58

Then my buddy Michael Stevenson got a 12 and a half million dollar verdict on a bicycle case, on a TBI bicycle case. Amazing. Just simply amazing what he did there. And he did my bootcamp and he's been to the program and I was just so, I hate to say proud because I feel like people are proud of their children and obviously-

Mohamad Ahmad (: 27:23

And you're old enough to be all our dads.

Dan Ambrose (: 27:25

That's true. Luckily nobody can tell that due to my youthful energy. But just so many people with the verdicts they got and there wasn't enough room on the stages for them all, but we're making room because everybody that goes to trial and wins deserves a spot on the stage and that's what it's about, right? Is building trial lawyers.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 27:52

Building the future generation

Dan Ambrose (: 27:53

Trialers. Building future generation trial lawyers.

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February 18th through 21st, 2027. It's the Philip Miller Advanced Deposition College. Philip is gathering some of the greatest trial lawyers in the country to teach with them, small group format. It's going to be limited to 90 participants. It's going to be back at the Paseo Hotel in Huntington Beach. So if you want to ramp up your deposition skills, get registered today. Triallawyersuniversity.com. The crazy thing is everybody's like, "Oh, this conference is so much better than all their ones." And the thing is, all these other conferences, I'm always an open book to them. I've always offered every organization, especially a lot of state trial lawyers and the AAJ. I'm like, "Hey, you guys want to run a better conference? This is what I do. This is who I am. I would love to help you. I'd love to improve the education for everybody." And some people are like, "Well, why would you help your competition?" I'm like, "They're not my

Mohamad Ahmad (: 28:47

Competition." You should have a conference bootcamp.

Dan Ambrose (: 28:49

Right. I'm collaborating with them and helping get justice for more people. That's what we're trying to do here.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 28:56

Yeah. And that's the cool thing about the plaintiff side. We're more collaborative, I think, because we really do speaking of like- minded people, we really do want to fight the system and the system is getting crazy right now with Uber and Meta- Uber. All these big companies basically trying to replace everybody. I think they wouldn't have a problem with just having 10 billion robots and like humans just sitting there in a room to sit and grading.

Dan Ambrose (: 29:28

It's the challenge of this life as things evolve. Some people get scared and try to stop progress, but this is what it is. Things evolve. We just got to keep working on your skills and make sure that ... I talked to so many young lawyers too. We had like 23 law students at this conference that were on scholarship. I was so-

Mohamad Ahmad (: 29:46

They were everywhere.

Dan Ambrose (: 29:47

They were everywhere. They did such a great job and Noel did such a great job organizing and running them. And so many of them that are still in law school are coming back next year and there was a lot of returning, quite a few returning law students, but it's It's so great because I obviously look at our own lives and I'm 58 right now and had I had those kind of opportunities in law school or some of these young lawyers first and second year lawyers that are there at TLU, I'm like, you are just so fortunate. If you don't become a great trial lawyer, it's for one reason.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 30:18

You didn't try hard enough.

Dan Ambrose (: 30:19

You. You chose not to do the work because now knowing what work is there to do is kind of known now, established now. And getting mentors is a lot easier. Just show up and talk to people. The great trial lawyers are there for four or five days. If you don't make a relationship with them, you don't make connection with them, that's your fault.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 30:39

And they make themselves available. Even though they're speaking all day, like some guy was telling me about Joe Fried, he set them aside, said, "I need five minutes of your time, Joe." And Joe said, "No problem. You got it. " You would think they'd be shelled up in the rooms all day, but they weren't. They were out like Michael Cowan. All these great lawyers were there for everybody. Philip Miller was the most accessible and he's like one of the most sought after consultants in the game.

Dan Ambrose (: 31:03

No, he's killing it. And he was so kind because he hosted the closing party on Saturday night, the rooftop party.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 31:10

The Russian ski party. The Russian winter

Dan Ambrose (: 31:13

Ski party. I call it opre ski. Rooftop party. And I was just- I don't speak fast. There's another thing too. In the previous four years, all the parties were out in the ocean lawn and this year we moved the party every night starting off at the dinner party on Tuesday at the restaurant. Then on Wednesday we did it out on the blue room and the patio. So it was an indoor outdoor party, which was a great vibe. We had the TV, had the game on the Knicks and the Spurs. So many people that loved the basketball, they got the chance, you know what I mean? People got to found their space and then-

Mohamad Ahmad (: 31:46

It really is a great venue.

Dan Ambrose (: 31:48

Oh my God. It's like people are

Mohamad Ahmad (: 31:49

Like, "Oh," because

(: 31:50

We had

(: 31:50

Over 90. I've walked up to it now because I went to the other hotels and I was like, "You can host a conference here." It's

Dan Ambrose (: 31:57

Terrible.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 31:57

The layout. It's not open. Yeah.

(: 31:58

No.

(: 31:59

Guess who designed the layout?

Dan Ambrose (: 32:01

Your cousin?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 32:02

My brother-in-law.

Dan Ambrose (: 32:03

This is unbelievable. I can't hit the table anymore. I get trouble from the producer, but I'm just so shocked that your brother-in-law built such an amazing hotel. Did he know where TLU was going to be owning it for five days a year when he built it, when he designed it?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 32:16

Nope. And he was in there, he's like, "This looks very familiar." And he designed it. Yeah, because he's in a high level interior designer, worked at the biggest companies and then now he joined our firm.

Dan Ambrose (: 32:26

Look at you. Now you're going to have a fashionable office too.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 32:29

No.

Dan Ambrose (: 32:30

Stylish,

Mohamad Ahmad (: 32:30

No. There's certain things that are unfixable.

Dan Ambrose (: 32:32

Exactly. Exactly. That's what I love when Mo comes over and gives me decorating advice at my house. I'm just like, "Dude, shut up. I've seen where you live. Okay. The last person you should ever do is give advice on home decor. You're the last person. As much as I love you, last person. That's okay though. No home

Mohamad Ahmad (: 32:52

Decor advice. Everyone has their flaws.

Dan Ambrose (: 32:55

It's not flaws. You just have limitations.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 32:56

Limitations. Disabilities. Di

(: 32:58

Have a disability.

(: 33:00

Style's

Dan Ambrose (: 33:00

Not one of

Mohamad Ahmad (: 33:01

Them.That's why I haven't gotten out of this yet because people are like, this is stylish." And I'm like, okay. Wear it every day. Stick with it then.

Dan Ambrose (: 33:08

That's right.That's right. You got a different TLU shirt for every day.You're the second most-

Mohamad Ahmad (: 33:13

This is my favorite one.

Dan Ambrose (: 33:14

I know. You're the second most TLU brand committed person, so I appreciate it. I'm number one still.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 33:18

I don't know about that.

Dan Ambrose (: 33:19

I don't know. Every day. Every day?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 33:21

My wife is like, "What the ... " She's like, "When I first married you, you were wearing a suit. You scammed me and now you don't wear suits." I'm like, "Only in court."

Dan Ambrose (: 33:30

That's right.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 33:31

Only in court. When it's game day, girl. And she's like-

Dan Ambrose (: 33:34

Game day. And then we finished off too by having brunch. My buddy, Scott Frost, hosted brunch on Sunday, June 7th.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 33:40

I was there. 45 people there. That was awesome.

(: 33:42

I thought we'd have a litle bit more than

(: 33:44

That. And I learned something new that day. Coffee cake doesn't actually have coffee in it.

Dan Ambrose (: 33:47

Were you able to eat it because there was no caffeine?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 33:49

No coffee.

Dan Ambrose (: 33:50

No coffee.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 33:51

I don't like the bitter taste of coffee. It's like dessert is dessert and coffee is coffee. They're two separate. They

Dan Ambrose (: 33:56

Combined them now.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 33:57

I'm kind of racist in that sense. With desserts, it's like don't mix the sweets with the bitter.

Dan Ambrose (: 34:03

Wow. It's big of you to be able to admit that here on the podcast. People usually try to hide their prejudice and their racism. I'm very vulnerable around you, Dan. It's good that you feel like you can open up. Mo, I appreciate that. So you taught a class on a workshop on what?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 34:22

I did a workshop on demonstratives for trial, bringing your case to life at trial, communicating the story with metaphors, with props, with whatever it takes. And using the classroom itself, Michael Carter, who's with our firm now, got tons of verdicts and settlements, he also said, "You yourself are a demonstrative." Of course you are. And that's what we learn at TLU Bootcamp. And so in a wrongful death case, he said, "I put the casket in a somber ... You got to do it in a credible way, somber way." And he's like, "I put it there and I never violate that space." And so that's what we learned about thinking about metaphors for your case and demonstratives and how to present it.

Dan Ambrose (: 35:05

Okay. And how many people were in your workshop?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 35:07

It was packed in the presidential suite. I guess the TLU swag paid off.

Dan Ambrose (: 35:13

See?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 35:13

I was badass.

Dan Ambrose (: 35:14

You guys, you wear stealing swag every day, you do your workshop in the president's suite. But you have about a dozen people there?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 35:20

Yep. That's a good number. And we actually worked on their cases.That's the

Dan Ambrose (: 35:24

Whole point.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 35:25

Yeah.

Dan Ambrose (: 35:25

So work on their cases,

Mohamad Ahmad (: 35:26

Not to

Dan Ambrose (: 35:27

Have a three-hour lecture

Mohamad Ahmad (: 35:28

For 12

Dan Ambrose (: 35:28

People. That's what I like to hear, casework being done. And then you had a pretty packed room for yours and Mo's lecture.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 35:37

And Hani. It was Hani.

(: 35:39

Ray.

Dan Ambrose (: 35:40

Ray, Hani and

Mohamad Ahmad (: 35:41

You.

(: 35:41

Yeah. Ray and Hani were like the real workhorse. I was just the eye candy for the lecture.

Dan Ambrose (: 35:46

That's what I am at TLU. Yeah. All my people that work around me Rose and

Mohamad Ahmad (: 35:51

Rob. Unfortunately, people kind of picked up on that. They're like, "Mohamed, you were saying it's important to do all this work." And then you just showed the people that actually did it. I was like, guilty. Guilty. Yeah.

Dan Ambrose (: 35:59

You got to learn how to delegate. Duh. Can't do it all yourself. Can't be just hog all the tension.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 36:04

Yeah.

Dan Ambrose (: 36:05

So what was your lecture about?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 36:06

It was about putting pressure on the defense to get the information, but not just relying on the defense. A lot of our cases involve public entities directly or indirectly through police reports, ambulance, fire, incident reports, the district attorney if there's a criminal case. And so it was using every aspect and putting pressure because even the city governments and state governments and federal governments, they'd either choice or out of just incompetence, they don't give you everything at first try. So we just went through about how to go about it, how to go after them and how not to be discouraged and how to push. And so I think that was very helpful. And then we obviously have the sample documents and stuff that people can use so they don't feel like they're starting from scratch.

Dan Ambrose (: 37:04

That's helpful because that's why with the TLU on demand, and by the way, if you don't have TLU on demand and you're listening to this podcast, you can text me at 248, 808, 3130, or send me an email at dan@triallawersuniversity.com. I'll give you a 30-day trial subscription of it and all the lectures will be edited and put up by around the 1st of July. Rose is working on editing and putting them together. And so you can check out all the stuff you missed at TLU Beach for actually no cost at all and get all the great learning because it wasn't just your presentations, but Panish. Panish came down while still in trial on Saturday. How great was that? And talked about-

Mohamad Ahmad (: 37:50

The busted foot and area. With the

Dan Ambrose (: 37:52

Busted foot and everything and talked

Mohamad Ahmad (: 37:53

About- That guy's committed to the game. Know

Dan Ambrose (: 37:54

That guy? Out of all the greats, nobody has his level of commitment. He's- He

Mohamad Ahmad (: 38:02

Still trains. Yeah.

Dan Ambrose (: 38:03

I mean, he's just finishing up that trial today on the punitives. I mean, he got like $160 million of compensatory and the

Mohamad Ahmad (: 38:11

Crazy- 176 million, but no one's counting.

Dan Ambrose (: 38:13

Is that what it was? In Van Nuys, not a great jurisdiction for plaintiff's lawyers. And he's been at that trial for about a month and a half just every day. I talked to him and he told me he was real ill and he was in the bathroom. He's actually vomiting during lunch. And the next day called Ambrose. Guess where I'm at? I'm like, the hospital? He's like, "Yeah, they made me come here." I'm like, "What a nut." And then the next day, I'm like, "How are you feeling?" He's like, "Not so great." I'm like, "Where are you at?" He's like, "Where the fuck do you think I'm at?" I'm like, "Court?" He's like, "On my way. No days off Ambrose. Let's fucking go. " I'm like, "That's literally him." Literally in trial, broker- A student at the game at the top of the game. With a cast, with a boot on.

(: 39:05

There is no excuses. And people always like, "Who's the goat?"

Mohamad Ahmad (: 39:07

It's a litle bit bigger though.

Dan Ambrose (: 39:10

And there's so many great trial lawyers that come to TLU, but I always say Panish is the goat because he tries more very variety of cases than anybody else. And people, "How about Lanier?" I'm like, "Lanier's a great trial lawyer. Don't get me wrong. But Linear tries one case a year, one every two years. Panish tries six, 10 cases a year."

Mohamad Ahmad (: 39:27

One time he did it simultaneous.

Dan Ambrose (: 39:28

I didn't even know about that,

Mohamad Ahmad (: 39:30

See?

Dan Ambrose (: 39:30

But also he has a team of trial lawyers around him, Raboputi, Lucas, Shea.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 39:38

Spencer.

Dan Ambrose (: 39:40

Redorfer. That's Spencer Lucas.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 39:42

Oh, Spencer Lucas. Sorry. Didn't

Dan Ambrose (: 39:44

His last name. Okay. But anyways, he's got at least a half a dozen trial lawyers around him who also have eight figure verdicts. And to be able to build a team like that, coach a team like that and keep the team

Mohamad Ahmad (: 39:57

Together. And that works it up too, like Erica Conference and whatnot. Pepper's the other side with motions.

(: 40:02

He's got every level covered. That way he can be the guy.

(: 40:05

And they're all students. They all show up to TLU. Rahul was there, chopped it up with him on Saturday, I think, or Friday. Stop

Dan Ambrose (: 40:12

By on Friday.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 40:12

Friday. Yeah.

Dan Ambrose (: 40:13

Rahul's great. I'm doing a bootcamp with him. I'm not sure the date, but I think it's near the end of October. We got a bootcamp, Michael Cowen, did a couple workshops with his partner, Peacock. That was her first time there. I think it

Mohamad Ahmad (: 40:29

Was- I think Cowen had a good time. We used him on our lecture too because-

Dan Ambrose (: 40:32

He had a great time.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 40:33

Yeah. He

Dan Ambrose (: 40:34

Was so excited. I'm doing a bootcamp with him on trucking. I got one coming up with Joe Fried and Camerolingo in December. We're going back to Cabo. Was that the greatest time ever? Cabo, going back to Cabo in December. Did you were in Cabo last year? Of course you were.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 40:48

Yeah, I was in December. I don't like Cabo, but I enjoyed it with ... I think it's the people that make it work. You think? It's the people then.

(: 40:55

I

(: 40:55

Think so. Anywhere.You could be anywhere.

Dan Ambrose (: 40:56

Anywhere with the right people and you're having a great time. Shout

Mohamad Ahmad (: 40:59

Out to Johnny Bond and Alejandro, Georgio and Chemic.

Dan Ambrose (: 41:03

Johnny Bond taught cross-examination of the TLU skills. And I talked to a couple students in his classes and they were ... I was talking to him and I was this AC Parnam. She's a younger lawyer from South

Mohamad Ahmad (: 41:15

Carolina. Oh, and she's a Park Colombian. Or no, Panamanian. Okay.

Dan Ambrose (: 41:19

I wouldn't be surprised, but South Carolina. TLU, she was just so excited about it. She's going to come to the deposition program in February with Philip Miller. And out of the blue she said, oh, and Johnny Bond was the best. I learned so much in that class. I'm like, oh, that's so dope. That was his first time teaching that. She said, no way. He was so professional. I'm like, "Yeah, well, we worked real hard the week

Mohamad Ahmad (: 41:40

Before." Yeah. Johnny Bond works really hard. Well,

Dan Ambrose (: 41:42

We work real hard on. Plus I got to make sure that people that are teaching are dialed in and I heard so many great things about Georgio and his witness prep and direct from so many people

Mohamad Ahmad (: 41:53

About- Yeah, there's no wing in it.

Dan Ambrose (: 41:55

August 24th through 28th, Sach Oliver has come all the way from Arkansas to right here to Hermosa Beach to TLU Beach House. We're going to be teaching a five-day depositions our trial bootcamp. You're going to be working on your cases. Sacha's going to be working with you on your cases. So not only are you going to transform your case, but at the end of the day, it becomes a case expense because your case is going to get that much better. This program's limited to 10 participants. So if you want to come get registered today, we'll see you right here.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 42:37

So Dan, what the heck is Opry ski?

Dan Ambrose (: 42:40

Well, Mo, a lot of people ask me, "What's opre ski?" And they're confused and I don't want people to be confused when they come to TLU. So this is Opry ski. It's a creative day. Some people put on pair of ski gogs. I got my white fur coat, my kick ass glasses. I was able to repurpose the '80s tracksuit party glasses, the cowboy hat, which of course has TLU on the side, see it right there.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 43:03

Nice. That's

Dan Ambrose (: 43:03

Classic one. I got that from a Panish conference because they got nice swag there too. And this is it. This is opera ski. That was the Saturday night party and it was a hit. So that's what we got. But now we got to talk about this Mo and that is the new TLU long sleeves that we gave about 700 of them

Mohamad Ahmad (: 43:23

Away. Man, those are cool.

Dan Ambrose (: 43:25

I got a blue one.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 43:26

I got the great one.

Dan Ambrose (: 43:27

See that? And this one's got a hood on it too. This is what we call a hoodie. Have you heard of a hoodie?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 43:31

Oh yeah. I always want to call it hood. So I don't scare the-

Dan Ambrose (: 43:34

Yep.That

Mohamad Ahmad (: 43:35

Will

Dan Ambrose (: 43:35

Show everybody what it's got, but just throw that. This is a transition, transition. Now look at that. And

Mohamad Ahmad (: 43:41

These are great. I usually charge to get unclothed, but-

Dan Ambrose (: 43:45

I get it. And you should because you're a handsome fella and you've been working out.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 43:48

Thank you.

Dan Ambrose (: 43:50

And these were very, because we had the 80s tracksuit dinner party and there

Mohamad Ahmad (: 43:54

Was-

(: 43:54

Oh, this is not a

(: 43:54

Hoodie.

Dan Ambrose (: 43:55

No, it's not. I'm sorry. But there were some people, it's called Quarter Zip. There were some people that showed up to the 80s tracksuit party. When it had a tracksuit confirmation, you must bring a tracksuit. And they gave me some lame mask excuse or they just heard about it. I felt bad for them and I bent my rules a little bit. So I gave them the substitute TLU long sleeve

Mohamad Ahmad (: 44:18

Quarters. Oh, from the bougie brand, Aloe.

Dan Ambrose (: 44:21

Oh yeah. It's

Mohamad Ahmad (: 44:22

Close.

Dan Ambrose (: 44:22

It's not Alo, but it feels the same as Aloe which is-

Mohamad Ahmad (: 44:25

Your says aloe on there.

Dan Ambrose (: 44:26

Well, hey buddy. Guess what? Not everybody.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 44:29

So you gave me the crappier one? Is this Lululemon? Is this like a downgrade?

Dan Ambrose (: 44:34

There you go. Don't you worry about it, buddy.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 44:35

All right.

Dan Ambrose (: 44:36

Good news is everybody got their new swag, which is important.

(: 44:40

That's very important.

(: 44:41

Shout

Mohamad Ahmad (: 44:42

Out to the Wacker Law Group that they had the badass swing. Dude, they came correct. Yeah. An intaker too.

Dan Ambrose (: 44:48

They came correct. They put some-

Mohamad Ahmad (: 44:50

My wife got jealous because I was just like ... The

Dan Ambrose (: 44:54

Lore with rhinestones. No, Ted Wacker with the Ted Wacker golf outing with Tavern and Eve co-hosted the Satchel Oliver Wild West party and Finch. Finch did the opening dinner party. I mean, so

Mohamad Ahmad (: 45:11

Many- And they had the sugar cookies. Oh,

Dan Ambrose (: 45:13

The amazing sugar cooks and all the bags. Those things were like sugar crack.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 45:16

Oh

Dan Ambrose (: 45:17

Man, I ate way too many of those. I was testing them out. I'm a sampler because I'm the dessert sheriff.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 45:21

Quality control. I call it. The desserts

Dan Ambrose (: 45:23

Were amazing. How about the food was amazing. Everybody raved about it.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 45:27

Yeah. The food's always top-notch at TLU.

Dan Ambrose (: 45:29

Yeah, man. We can't fucking ... We don't mess around when it comes to feeding people because after the first TLU in 2021, Joe Fries said, "Joe, how was the conference?" I'm thinking he's going to just tell me how great I am. He said, "Can I be honest with you? " I'm like, "Fuck. Lie to me. Don't ask that question." And then it's like, Dan, you got to feed the people. People are hungry.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 45:46

And you're a man of the people.

(: 45:47

I'm a man of the people. I said,

(: 45:48

Joe,

Dan Ambrose (: 45:49

That costs a lot of money. These hotels, they think it's like free for all which comes to ... He goes, Dan, that's not my problem. It's

Mohamad Ahmad (: 45:55

Not Dan.

Dan Ambrose (: 45:56

You need to solve that problem, Dan Ambrose, if you're

Mohamad Ahmad (: 45:59

Going to host people.

Dan Ambrose (: 46:00

You got to be able to host people.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 46:01

That's like when you get dumped and they say it's not me,

Dan Ambrose (: 46:03

It's you. No, it's great because this was the first year ever in the first conference I've ever been to where we serve people at dinner every night. Every night, nobody was hungry. And I was really proud of that because-

Mohamad Ahmad (: 46:15

And the coffee bar was legit too.

Dan Ambrose (: 46:18

Yeah, because I take my hosting duties very serious. Oh, you

Mohamad Ahmad (: 46:21

Do.

(: 46:21

You were talking about the new bags too. Let me show everybody these.

(: 46:25

Don't show me. I'm going to steal another one.

Dan Ambrose (: 46:26

Nope, look at that. The new TLU bags.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 46:28

These are so bad.

Dan Ambrose (: 46:29

And guess what else? Guess what showed up?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 46:33

Guess what showed up? Oh, they finally showed up.

Dan Ambrose (: 46:36

Customs. I think Trump held these up in customs just to fuck

Mohamad Ahmad (: 46:38

With us. I use these for my flight training. I use these for trial prep.

Dan Ambrose (: 46:42

Yep.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 46:43

I actually use them because it's good to write. I know we AI everything, but use a notebook, write, even if you're later going to type it, take a picture of it and send it to some AI, whatever, but write down things because that's how you remember things. That's

Dan Ambrose (: 46:57

Right.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 46:58

Write. Don't forget to write. Don't be a robot.

Dan Ambrose (: 47:01

I told Finch, I said,

Mohamad Ahmad (: 47:02

"These are cool. I love these."

Dan Ambrose (: 47:02

Your notebooks didn't show up, but guess what? We're going to be bringing them around to all the conferences and give them away. So we're going to Lanier. I'm headed to Lanier next in like 10 days, probably a few days after this thing comes out, but I'll be down in Lanier and I'll have 500 of these badass notebooks to hand out. Plus I got some dope ass sweat.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 47:20

The Box Lunch Linear conference.

Dan Ambrose (: 47:22

Yeah, we don't do box lunches. They're doing the best they can. He's trying to save money. It's for us. It's for charity.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 47:27

Oh, for charity.

Dan Ambrose (: 47:28

For charity. They don't feed us

Mohamad Ahmad (: 47:29

There, but

Dan Ambrose (: 47:29

That's okay.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 47:30

Guatemala or something.

Dan Ambrose (: 47:31

Yeah. TLU, the charity starts with home, with the students attending them. We feed them so they could save their money and invest in their cases.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 47:40

And with the law students too.

Dan Ambrose (: 47:41

Oh, the law students too. That's the charity thing. Oh, I forgot to show the new TLU mugs. That was a room drop for the people at the Pasaya.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 47:48

That would be perfect for the coffee bar at the TLU.

Dan Ambrose (: 47:50

There we go. Here you go.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 47:52

Yeah. There's no stone left unturned at the TOU Beach conference. No.

Dan Ambrose (: 47:55

We're not playing games here, but we're getting ready for 2025 and we're going back to Pasea.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 48:01

2027.

Dan Ambrose (: 48:02

It's 2027. See that? It's brain injury. I'll be able to do all this with the brain injury too.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 48:06

Maybe by next year we can go back in time. If I could, I would, because that was a badass conference.

Dan Ambrose (: 48:11

I know. I wouldn't mind reliving that conference. It was the funnest time, the funnest five days of my life from Tuesday afternoon to Sunday morning. Couldn't be more grateful for all the people that came and ...

Mohamad Ahmad (: 48:24

Hey, and shout out to you, Dan and your team, your sister, Noelle, everyone. I mean, as homely as you guys make it, you also made it very professional too, which is very hard balance. As trial lawyers, that's what we try to do. We try to bring professionalism, but also the compassion and the ... We don't want to be corporate with our clients. We want to be real human beings. So you guys balance that and very few conferences can do that. It's very professional, but also felt like home. Congrats to you. I'm like Joe Fried. I'm not going to say, "Can I be honest with you for a second?" Because you did improve. So thank you, Joe Free for that because the food was amazing. Everything was amazing. Honestly, I have no complaints about the conference.

Dan Ambrose (: 49:02

Well, there was a few glitches, but they were behind the scenes. Nobody noticed them, but I'll have those fixed next year and next year it's going to be bigger and better and the better instructors get Sigi Chaketa and his masterclass on TBI.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 49:16

The only guy I think of is how to make it better, maybe live masseuse. There's actually a massage therapist too. There was a massage there therapist too. I don't know what else to do.

Dan Ambrose (: 49:24

I'm just trying to outthink everybody, but anybody has any suggestions?

Mohamad Ahmad (: 49:28

We'll figure out something. I'm

Dan Ambrose (: 49:29

Going to call. We're going to get on the phone bank, call everybody up, make sure they had a great time and see what suggestions they have because we are constant. We're never satisfied, constantly improving.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 49:38

Just like trial.

Dan Ambrose (: 49:39

Yeah, exactly. And I'm going to learn from what we did here and we do better next year. And my goal is to kind of blow people away every year and say, "Man, that was an amazing conference when I left last year." That was the best thing I've ever been to. And so many people told me that and it's a great feeling because you work your ass off. It's like getting a great verdict. You work your ass off

Mohamad Ahmad (: 50:01

And- It shows in the result. Put

Dan Ambrose (: 50:02

The time in and deliver.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 50:05

It's not an accident.

Dan Ambrose (: 50:06

No. No, success is not

Mohamad Ahmad (: 50:07

This. It's a collision.

Dan Ambrose (: 50:09

It's a collision. Mo, everybody knows how to get ahold of me, but I always get these texts and emails. How do I get ahold of your buddy Mo? He's very

Mohamad Ahmad (: 50:17

Elusive. I'm usually hanging out here at the beach house or in the plane with Dan Ambrose.

Dan Ambrose (: 50:22

That's smart of you.

Mohamad Ahmad (: 50:22

Yeah. No. Ma@kermanillp.com or text me on my cell. Don't call me because I have it always on silent 310-948-7226. And if you're a lady or an attractive male, don't text me after 6 PM because my wife will get jealous.

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Okay.

Dan Ambrose (: 50:40

Yeah.

(: 50:42

Sounds good, Mo. All right. Thank you for joining us. Thanks

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Everybody.

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Have a great day.